iBook or Linux Notebook
Posted by Jim at March 10th, 2005
There are two things one might do with a tax refund. The responsible one seems likely to be saving it or investing it somehow. The other, more likely option is spending it on something cool. For the last few years, I’ve been doing the former option, using the refund for something responsible even though I’ve had the money necessary to buy a particularly cool digital camera. This year, I’m thinking of spending the money on something.
Alas, not the camera.
Over Christmas, Kristen and I got a digital camera. Not, I might add, the professional level digital camera I’ve often considered buying, but a good enough camera that I no longer feel a burning need to indulge my urge to buy something that I may never use to it’s full potential.
I understand the basics of photography and have even done some paid work on occasion, but I’m not a professional or even particularly close to that level of skill.
Thus, I’m tempted to buy something that I will use: a notebook of some kind.
I’m tempted to buy either a refurbished Dell notebook and install Linux on it or possibly to buy a notebook from Linare, the company that provides Linux notebooks to Walmart. With the latter option I’d initially avoid the possible pain of getting all devices working and thus just be able to use the notebook.
I say initially because the likelihood of my eventually installing Debian over the Linare distribution of Linux is pretty high. At that point, all the time saved by buying a new notebook with a pre-loaded operating system will disappear.
Alternately, I’m also considering buying a used or reconditioned iBook (a G3/900mhz or similar G4). That would again save me the hassle of OS installation at the cost of running an older notebook that will become obsolete sooner (making it possible that I would end up installing Linux on it…).
Buying an iBook would also allow me to test my web design on Mac IE and Safari, something that would be pretty useful. Not to mention Javascript. For the most part I’m inclined not to bother getting Javascript to work in Safari or Konqueror, but I’d like to have it fail gracefully if it must fail. Thus, it’d be nice to have a test box.
Either one seems likely to have wireless cards available (an absolute requirement for a notebook in my opinion), but the Mac will cost more. Of course, the quality of Linare is an open question. I still haven’t seen any reviews of their stuff.
Anyone have any advice on this one?
I have an iBook G3/800 with 640MB of RAM. It performs very well with OS X 10.3. The extra RAM makes all the difference on it.
For browsing, text editing, and running Apple’s Mail program or iPhoto, there’s little subjective difference between it and my G4/1.25Ghz eMac with a gig of RAM. Once Photoshop comes into play, I can tell some real difference.
Compared to an x86 laptop, I think you’ll find iBooks are nicer in the price range for weight (around 5 lb.) and efficiency (mine can go over four hours on a battery charge with the Airport card turned on). I also think you’ll tend to find the video support on a later-day iBook to be a little better: dedicated VRAM vs. the shared VRAM turning up on low-end x86 notebooks.
If you decide you’d rather run Linux on it, I can attest to having run Yellowdog on a much less impressive iBook (a G3/500 with 384MB of RAM) and having been impressed with the results.
The thing to do is check out Smalldog. They sell refurbished gear for decent prices. The special today is a new 1GHz/G4 iBook for $899. Pushing up the RAM to 640MB and adding an Airport card will take it closer to $1,000, but since it’s a G4 you’ll get a little more out of it if you decide to play with PhotoShop or iMovie.
At the moment, with the G4 moving into the low-end slot across the Apple product line, any of the higher end G3 iBooks are going to be a great deal: There’s not a massive performance difference for basic tasks (mail, Web, editing), but the G3 is “old” now, and refurb pricing will reflect that.
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I hadn’t thought of making sure that that level of ram is decent. I generally do when I’m purchasing pc’s. I guess I’ll have to make sure I’ve got 512 or so on a Mac too.
I’m strongly inclined to buy a G3 because of the likely price drop that you mentioned. I’m not likely to do much other than program on it–though you never know. If I get the opportunity to put Photoshop on it, I probably will.
Ed mentioned Smalldog to me at one point too. It is pretty good in terms of prices from what I’ve seen. Ditto dealmac.com.
My major worry with buying an older mac is my memory of just how soon I had to upgrade an older PC I once bought. I’m told this doesn’t happen as quickly with Macs and thus I’m open to the possibility of buying a G3, but it still unnerves me.
Jim Zoetewey
_My major worry with buying an older mac is my memory of just how soon I had to upgrade an older PC I once bought. I’m told this doesn’t happen as quickly with Macs and thus I’m open to the possibility of buying a G3, but it still unnerves me._
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Huh. Comment got cut off for reasons I better investigate.
Anyhow: A G3 900 or one of the G4 iBooks will be good for the rest of the Panther cycle and Tiger, too. Beyond that I guess you never know, but “beyond that” = some time in 2007 or 2008.
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I have very little experience with Mac laptops. I know I’ve had fabulous experience with Dell laptops and linux. 802.11g didn’t work for me, but it did for a friend, so I know it can be done.
As for future expansion, anything decent you buy now should work fine for XP, and VERY fine for Linux. Longhorn probably won’t work on it, but you have n+2 years before you need to worry about that anyway.
You’d probably be happy with either the Mac or Intel based laptop. You can run linux on both, so I guess the question is do you need portable XP, or portable OS X?
Topher
That’s an interesting way to look at it. In many ways, I guess I’d just like a portable computer for when I’m outside my house and either investigating a network problem or just wanting to work without cats around.
The OS is in many ways just flavoring. That being said, I’ve been wanting to know more about OS X for a while now and I’ve got two XP boxes in my house already–and thus I’m bored with XP.
For work purposes, the only thing that I couldn’t do on a Mac is work with Access databases, but I can’t see wanting to connect to our databases from a coffeehouse anyway.
Thus from that question, I’d lean toward OS X…
Jim Zoetewey
Well, you know me, Jim — all the options you discussed sound pretty cool. All I can say is if you want Debian, DON’T use vanilla Debian, use Ubuntu.
Ed Heil
Certified Pre-Owned iBook G3/900:
$849
Ignore the part about selling you Panther for $99.
That seems like a good deal to me, considering it’s arriving maxed out. To the extent I trust my own G3/800 to last another cycle+, I’d trust this one, too.
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Hmmn. Now to hope that something that good is available when the refund actually arrives.
And now to a micro rather than macro question that I probably should have gleaned from context…
If I’m understanding things right, 640MB is the maximum amount that a G3 iBook can handle. What does that mean in terms of buying more memory? From what I’ve seen, it appears that they come with 128MB minimum. Yet they also sell additional ram up to 512MB for users to install.
Would I be correct in guessing that an iBook with 256MB ram already has a second 128MB dimm in it? Thus, buying an additional 256MB of ram would result in having 384MB rather than 512MB?
Jim Zoetewey
That I can’t help you on, especially because the refurb market could entail all sorts of contortions in terms of the RAM they’re using. When I got my iBook from a local dealer, I just told them I wanted the RAM maxed out and they complied for a price that matched their price chart, however that involved shuffling DIMMs around.
mph
Well, at this point it’s a moot question. Having looked at Macs and pc laptops for a couple weeks now (and having received the refund yesterday…), I ordered the mac laptop you pointed out yesterday.
It really is a better deal than anything I’d previously seen for what I want it to do. I’d previously been looking at ibooks with less memory and no airport, assuming that the memory would be enough and that I could add the airport later. Once I started adding up the cost of adding them though… $849 is a good price for what they’re giving you. Plus I’ll probably run photoshop every so often, so the more memory the better.
Now I just have to hope it survives the trip from Oregon to Michigan.
Jim Zoetewey
Dang, Jim, you’re gonna have a better mac than me. You suck!
Ed Heil
I’m sure you’ll out buy me soon enough…
Jim Zoetewey
It appears that I spoke too soon. Despite making my order, I just learned that they’ve sold out of that configuration. Thus, I guess I wait.
So it looks like Ed will have the better Mac for bit longer…
Jim Zoetewey
please stay away from Linare. They just take order and sit on it for weeks and weeks with absolutely no response. I am taking my case to better business bureau at this point.
jp
I have bought the Linare laptop. Yeah they were late in delivery but they have mentioned it in their website that it will be delayed. So I didnt worry too much about it. I received the laptop after 6 weeks. But I would say that its worth the money and the wait for that laptop.
I removed Linare distribution and installed Linspire
on it. Works great.
Peter
i too am considering a linux notebook, either x86 or g3/4 etc.
i want the most bang for the buck obviously in terms of performance. but also i hear people have had problems with running certain lcds in their native resolution, mostly widescreen lcds i think.
dell was shipping their low-end inspiron in canada for CAD $550, no shipping, but its up to $600 now
its cheap ~$400 US but doesn’t have wireless, i’ll still have to go > $800 for w/g & bluetth.
preconf. 3dfx is good though, its been a pain my 3d still isn’t working. o well.. post xmas may be a better time to get a refurb, i’ll check then… but i want to find out which resellers have an acceptable *dead pixel* policy.
Jim Dandy
Oh…man….for the love of God, please don’t use linspire. Its a crime against nature. You run as root by default. It reminds me of windows so much. Its not really my place to say, but give Ubuntu a shot. Apt makes things so much easier!
Pablo Escobar